Is Jesus Christ Manipulating Us?

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Sara Katherine : It took me a second to realize the title didn’t mean the actual Jesus Christ.... (never heard of this guy before)

Gabby E : I think if you knew the darker side of this religion you would agree it’s like a cult. He also knows more about it because he lived it.

Kitty Jenvieve : Its a cult. Period. They molest children and cut people off from there families. IT. IS. A. CULT.

Inbaeda : A lot of people consider organized religion as cults, especially Mormonism. There are plenty of videos that refer Mormonism and other religions as cults, and how people have suffered through them. There are specific organizations within religions that are very much cults, and I don't think SoCalChrist meant anything else by it or was exaggerating or stretching the truth. "When Jesus Christ is calling the Mormon Religion a cult..." He didn't say that, he was talking about his specific organization in Mormonism that 'some would consider a cult', not the WHOLE religion either. There are enough cults that are mentally manipulative enough where most people can have access to the outside world and not be shaken from their rooted beliefs, and its easier to manipulate children also. People who think cults are only some random groups in the middle of the forest separated from society, need to know that not all cults are like that at all. Not all Mormons will have the same experience, because not all Mormons will be involved in the same kinds of organizations.

Julie Cornewell : So after watching this video and sitting with it for awhile I realized you kind of ticked me off. Now I love your videos and watch everyday but I disagree strongly with what you said. You are someone in the mental health industry so you would know all about invalidation. I have BPD myself so maybe this is where this is coming from. I feel like you completely invalidated Jesus Christ's experience within this religion without even knowing the full backstory. Maybe HIS family did treat Mormonism like a cult. Just because you don't feel it's a cult doesn't mean someone else doesn't think differently. You don't know their experiences. Worst of all you didn't even wait to hear his experience first before deciding it wasn't a cult. Isn't that black and white thinking? You said he has a Q & A coming. And as others have pointed out you even misunderstood what he actually said. He said "Some people would call it a cult." He never said it is a cult. I'm a total stan so I feel bad saying all this but I need to be honest.

Sage Dill : technically he did not call it a cult he said that some people would say it is a cult..

Emili Lucia : As a child from a family that was a part of a very strict Christian sect, I feel for this guy. When my family left we had to cut so many people out of our life. And the community protects the community, it felt like everyone around us hated us. It eventually led to legal battles. Crazy shit.

Laura Kratovil : My 7 year old son thinks you’re Bowser (from Super Mario lol). He isn’t watching, he can just hear your voice.

Rachel Eh? : I thought you were dissing Christianity, and that was really gonna break my heart because I am a Christian. I find it so frustrating that people mock Jesus (not this YouTube guy) and that people can misrepresent Him. I love your videos. Bless you. The Mormon religion is semi-cultish and I mean that in no disrespect. I have friends who are Mormon, so I don't say this ignorantly. The problem with Mormonism and Jehovah's witness, in my opinion, is that it takes the Bible and twists one aspect of it to fit their interpretation and agenda and they center the entire religion around this idea that isn't centered around the Gospel, which is the focus of Christianity. The Mormon and Jehovah's witness churches have their own added books and actually added and removed things from the original Bible, which is really messed up and some of them don't even know this. I really have looked into this and other religions and I am seeking Truth. I respect everyone. I believe people can manipulate people through religion and I also believe people can manipulate people against religion. We are not all crazy, we are not all indoctrinating people with wild stuff. I really hope this doesn't get back lash. I truly do love these people and I also which this guy the best. PS: I wouldn't straight up call them a cult.

Mandii Made : I can't stop laughing when you said I'm not try to expose Jesus Christ

Nicole Fitzgerald : I just wanted to point out that he said "some people call it a cult." I don't think he put enough thought in to breaking down what he said tbh.

Skyler Sandlin : You're using the term "cult" as most Americans see it. The typical image is of a group living on a compound with a single spiritual leader that controls EVERY aspect of the followers lives, suicide pacts, ect. This is an extreme cult, BUT the academic definition of a cult is much looser. When looking at Fundamental Mormons under an academic lens the LDS church is *extremely* close to, if not is, a cult. So of course the LDS church isn't the traditional extreme view of a cult, but fundamentalist (so most certainly not all Mormons) are a cult (just barely) by academic standards. From everything I've seen, these kids are being raised in a fundamentalist chapter of the church of LDS. In my opinion, this can be very damaging to the mental health of these children, especially girls due to the culture of shame and modesty (I believe Jesus Christ's kids are all boys though?).

Rachel Day : I wouldn't say "All LDS churches aren't cults" just like most people would say "Christianity isn't a cult" I really think it depends on the specific church you're talking about. I'm ex-Christian and I would say I grew up in a cult. I wasn't in an isolated compound, however, my parents were encouraged by the church to micromanage LITERALLY EVERYTHING about my life. I was severely punished if I had non-christian friends, or if I did anything even REMOTELY "ungodly." I was only allowed to go to 3 places: home, church, and my religious school. It was a highly manipulative and abusive environment and the church my family went to wanted it that way. A lot of people don't believe I was in a cult because "Christianity can't be a cult" but it definitely can be

Paul & Robin Stowell : I will say that I respect your opinion and the following is just my opinion. You can not just assume because it's an LDS sect that it's not damaging. I've been involved in a very cult like "mainstream" church as well as a church that actually burned books. Some organized religions really go overboard and If you are not personally involved in the church that Jesus is speaking about you would honestly have no idea. You cant just assume that every "church" in a denomination is the same.

TheConfusedVampire : I think you might have personalized this issue too much this time, Chris....

Haylee Rose : When I heard him say "some people may call it a cult" part of me just knew he was talking about mormonism. As an exmormon myself, I can't help but to feel for him. The situation varies for people who fall away, but for some people it can have devastating consequences. Some people see you as a follower of Satan, and with his particular case saying he's Jesus Christ it would be even more horrible in their minds. He's going to have a long and difficult battle if he wants to continue to be able to see his kids. I know there are so many good mormons out there, and a majority of them mean well, but the relationships that it has damaged or stifled in my life makes it hard for me to see it in a positive light. I live in the very epicenter of the mormon community and it can be very isolating. I wish him the best. I'm still trying to heal the scars of shame that the mormon church has left me.

Elena Hyland : I live in Utah. The Mormon country. I understand everyone has freedom of religion, but mormonism and their practices hurt many people. Their choices have hurt me and my family personally. No, they aren’t technically a cult. But god damn, brainwashing mormon mothers to think they’ll be damned in hell if they don’t enforce it on their children. My best friend in junior high school had extremely religious parents that tried to convert me. I will always have respect for all religions, but personally I have huge problems.

Sabina Cleodora : “Jesus Christ became atheist” 😹😹😹😹

Sugoihime : I think you should have waited a little for this video, until the situation was resolved. The court might use your video against him in his hearings 🤔 Regarding your video, it's your opinion, but you dont really know how families operate behind close doors and how they treat their religion. Maybe it's not a cult per se, but it is an organized religion and they might have had some control over his psyche and not his body like other traditional cults 🤔

Katarzyna Piorunek : 'And Jesus Christ became an atheist' I'm dead 😂😂

Britton Needs T : I personally ignored the cult part. I felt more emotional about the fact that he was going to lose his kids. I think it’s good to know this information though! People get really emotional when it comes to religion because it’s such a big part of your life. I don’t think he what he did was intentional, but we never know and all I can do is hope it wasn’t.

Gale Evergreen : The BITE model even determines the Mormon faith to be a cult. The reason why something is considered a cult is the way it attempts to control information and the lives of those who are involved with the religion. The way the Mormon faith tries to take over your life and the way it distances you from those outside of the fate (not necessarily physically but mentally with an other mentality) is damaging. Mormonism is simply a cult, acting as though it might not be because it’s a sector of Christianity/well known is silly. Individual Mormons obviously don’t have to be corrupted weirdos btw, there are good Mormons just like there are good Atheists, Christians, Muslims, etc etc. But the way they attempt to control information and distance themselves from outsiders is cult behavior, not ‘cult-like behavior.’ Also, you can’t use individual examples of good situations to generalize and say all Mormon groups are not cults. Some individual groups can be more radicalized than others. Their love-bombing behavior is a form of manipulation to try to get new people into the church. The individual Mormons probably aren’t aware of the fact that this is manipulation, it’s the top who controls the way Mormons are supposed to react to outsiders. Also, saying they are nice and that makes them not a cult or seem like they are not a cult is peculiar. Isn’t the universal behavior of odd pushing kindness going to seem at least slightly odd within itself? Jehovah’s Witness is a cult I at one point was a part of individually. It is not “cult-like,” it was flat out a cult. The way it corrupts your world view was dreadful. It’s a large organized religion who is definitely a cult. They tell you if anyone leaves the religion you can no longer associate them to manipulate them to rejoin the religion. They tell you where you are supposed to live, who you are allowed to marry, etc etc. Them being a large organized religion doesn’t suddenly make them not a cult anymore. They are. Period.

CuriousRabbit Media : I have to object to this, because I feel there's a large misunderstanding of how cult-ish certain fundamentalist churches are. There are different degrees to cults, and certain churches WITHIN a fundamentalist branch of a larger organized religion can still run as a cult. Many times the people that run the church also have some position of power within their community/town and could potentially ruin someone's life if they decided to leave & question the churches authority. It's a very blurred line, and I don't think he even tried to vehemently say he left a cult in his video. He simply said it was highly controlled, and SOME people would say it is a cult. There's a large amount of people that go to churches like this, and although they have the "freedom to leave" which makes it seem not cult-ish, the psychological effects can be long lasting and are often overlooked because the community isn't traditionally labelled as a "cult"

v : Hey Chris, big fan here even though I don't usually comment but Jesus said in his video that "some people called it a cult", he never said it was a cult himself so I am unsure how to feel about your video.

Melissa Hinckley : I’d love to hear your take on Scientology!

Natalia Matute Barberena : I am gonna suggest mr.aithest channel on YouTube he is an ex mormon knows this all to well. This is also why I do keep my distance from the catholic chruch also indoctrination is scary, sis was almost a godly women. Yup.

Marlena thorvald : I would say it's cultish...but not a cult....but he didn't really say it's a cult he said some people say it's a cult again I don't think he was trying to mislead

Dr. Alto Clef : Dont hate ya man but imma say it too soon my man too soon. I feel you should have waited and aired out the situation till more information is let out.

CJ Burrs : I respect that you at least put some thought in this video, many others just hate and don’t look into to it. Thank you

The History Buff : Do you know of a Youtuber that goes by Telltale? He's an Ex Mormon who believes Mormonism is a Cult. He's a really interesting channel and he also dives into organizations and use facts to determine weather its a cult or not.

Tanner Prince : very intriguing video. i was raised mormon and still attend church (even tho id rather not). as someone who is questioning the mormon church and was raised in it, i think people take lightly the "culty" characteristics of the mormon church. i understand it may not fit the definition to a tee but its more serious than some people may know. i was VERY pressured to serve a mission but i did not go. i understand what *Jesus Christ* is going through

The Colorful Channel : Why did he refer to women as female specimens?

Hilary Rose : Just came here from Jesus’s video, lol. I don’t think he really meant to push the “cult” angle, but I definitely see your point, especially since youtube has been focusing on it. I’m super glad he can afford the court date, though (and the court can decide what’s right... they’ll have more info than us). I always love watching your videos, and it was neat hearing your friend’s point of view!

Tucker Gutierrez : Being fascinated by cults doesnt give you room to talk over religous abuse survivors about what is/isnt a cult and how they should feel about their past religion. The like to dislike ratio on this video is a joke lol

Kiah Mackley : I was LDS for 19 years. And I will tell u it is not a cult. It does indeed suck though 😂

Anna S : I meannnnnnn I think the line between a cult and a fundamentalist religious organization gets very blurry. Like, is Scientology a cult? It has a tax exempt status but checks pretty much ALL the boxes for a cult. I was raised in what was essentially the strict southern version of Mormonism (it was a fundamentalist Presbyterian church with VERY cult-like tendencies and treated my whole family very poorly for a while) so I understand what you’re saying, but I think that the seriousness with which people approach the idea of “cults” should be applied to fundamentalist religious groups. To touch on what your friend said, just because the people who are in the Mormon church are good people who should be allowed to believe what they want, firstly, people in cults are good people who mean well (most of the time) but are simply misguided because they’ve been fed lies by the charismatic leader. Also, I think there’s a strong argument to be made about the ethics of forcing children into fundamentalist religious groups. I know it messed me up psychologically for a while and gave me a very scary worldview growing up so tbh I get uncomfortable with stuff like this because kids can’t make big spiritual decisions and think critically like adults can. THAT BEING SAID, I haven’t watched the whole thing but the clip you used made me really uncomfortable because idk something seemed very off/disingenuous about it. I have sympathy for him but he did seem rather manipulative (so I do agree with you on that, I just disagree with the main thesis lol).

Rain King : Hey Chris, I have a lot of respect for you and your channel, as I figured you know from all my previous comments. I have issues with this video. First of all, I agree that JHC saying something is a cult, does put a specific image in your mind which could be seen as manipulative/misleading. I think the fact that we as a people have a specific idea of what a cult is in our minds doesn't mean that is correct. That's not a definition that's a preconceived notion. In sociology and anthropology cults are often defined by the Bonewitz Cult Danger Evaluation, which has several criteria which must be met, there are several other methods that social scientists use to define what a cult is. This is a topic that is rigorously discussed and debated about in the social sciences. Which I wished you talked about, instead of talking about how you think JHC is being manipulative because his definition of a cult doesn't match with our preconceived notions. In fact this cultural idea of what a cult is vs. What it actually is, causes a lot of trouble for those who are trying to escape controlling religions needing support. This video I feel is harmful to a large group of disenfranchised individuals. As a background my family is Jehovah's Witness and I have a degree in Sociology, and am currently seeking my PhD in Sociology.

voxcotte : when he said "some people would say it is a cult" I thought his ex wife & kids were scientologists... nevertheless, I feel sorry for him and I wish him the best.

CrimsonStudios : FINALLY WE COLLAB! Thanks again🙏

Onixonst : indoctrination is bad, cult or not. he doesnt want his kids to be brainwashed by religion, i dont see why someone wouldnt be able to understand that.

Bex Carter : I think he might see his particular group as extreme, or cult-like, and not LDS in particular. He didn’t say it outright “the LDS is a cult”, but I agree there was a slight implication. Part of my family is Mormon, and they’re alright, but I’ve seen/heard some fucked up situations with other Mormons, as you’ve stated in the video. I agree with you that the LDS isn’t a cult, and I’ve had a friend in an actual cult for 10 years so I know it’s nothing to make light of. at the same time we really have no idea his particular situation, as he’s not allowed to talk about it without it effecting his case, so I’m not for sure sold on saying he’s being manipulative. Since we don’t have all the facts. His wife/fam could legit be crazy after all. Do you think his wife could use this video against him in court though? That worries me. I appreciate your perspective, thanks for always being on the YouTube grind.

Sammy Jo : Currently at 3:49... I appreciate your reaction to Tristan's skills because I'm the same way. 10/10 YASSS QUEEN

books and things : I'm an ex Jehovah's Witness, be very careful of calling groups not cults if you were not in it. They are nice and friendly people, that does not change me and my mom almost died because we are forbidden from taking blood. Also you can't leave without deemed an apostate and losing all your friends and family that are in. There are all kinds of different harmful teachings. But members will never tell you any of these things. Mormonisme IS also a cult, cults come in different ways. It's mindhacking, you don't have to be chained down or chased down. That's the whole point. Please look more into cults

The Void : Jesus Chris helping out Jesus Christ?

Jiga : I don't think he was trying to mislead people intentionally he just wants his kids and he is also very scared of losing his children so he just getting and asking for help anyway possible probably I would do the same

Jaime Reynolds : I am experiencing deja Vu lol

Coli Mae : I'm mormon( Church of jesus christ of latter day saints). Thanks for saying it is not a cult. I think sometimes the way we share it can come off wrong. We just want to share what makes us happy and we want others to have it too. My experience is little different I enjoy going.

Michele Holcomb : I used to think LDS religion was a cult until I moved to Utah in high school. Most the time, it rubs me the wrong way (a lot of people are judgmental here), but it isn’t what the media tries to perceive it to be. I’ve had many LDS friends since I’ve been living here and it’s interesting to ask them about their beliefs and how it helps them in life.

Acentra : Hey Black and LDS here. The aspect of LDS members being racist. Yeah, that's a very American thing from my experience. Every foreign member I've met was never racist in any shape or form regardless of race. Also the fact that people always say that Latter day Saints hate gays, or are racist, and disown their kids. I'm not gonna lie that does happen (though it's never happened to a member I know or have met). In fact in my branch we had a member who was known to be gay who played the piano. Highly doubt he goes now, but no one ever told him to not come to church. But it also happens in other religions and other Christian denominations. In the end nobody is perfect and I'm very happy as a latter day saint. P.S. Calling the church the Mormon church is partly why people don't view us as just another Christian denomination and as a cult. The whole name of the church is The Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints. It's a mouthful but more accurate.