The Constitution of Athens

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Udumfck : Thumbs up due to the beautiful flowers @14:05! :)

Nämen Hejsan : Thanks for making another video, I missed the squares.

Otto von Bismarck : 18:45 Where is Sicily?

I Saw A Bear : So... Thessaly next?

Austin Monreal : Last time I was this early the Romans had just thrown out their king!

oWallis : Those Ancient Athenians should feel proud. Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

Paul Casey : That beat at the beginning of the video was pretty dope

oWallis : Perfect, I was just wondering what I was going to watch while eating dinner. Another masterpiece my dude <3

mr id : This channel does a great job in making history accessible. I already love history, but often don't have the time to scroll through many many documents and then make a coherent story. You are absolutely great at this, it is often quite difficult to make history seem coherent and simple because it often isn't. Good job! Keep up the good work!

Yeah Greek : As a greek it's weird to hear words like Βασιλεύς Στρατηγός and Βουλή with an English accent. Also we were taught this type of stuff (although not with so much detail) in school so this is a nice way of learning more. As always great video.

Mandez Siow : man today’s been amazing. shoes I ordered finally came, new update for Payday 2 and a vid from Historia Civilis

sad onion : SHIIEEEEEET

Squid Box : freaking love this boy

Harald Bönner : When are you going to make a video on Caesars march on Rome?

Joey Kevorkian : Are you ever gonna go back to the Caesar-Pompey War?

Михаил Утопиан : What you describe as "full democracy" is actually ochlocracy.

Strideo1 : It was pretty cool of John Carpenter to do the soundtrack for this episode.

ShogunBit : No more Romans... ;(

Paul Aldrich : Please do a video on caesars pall labienus

Ethan D : Fun fact for you all. America's democracy style is not based off of that of Athens, Rome, or any other western nation. It is actually based of the democratic style of the Iroquois Confederacy because many of the founding fathers were close friends with prominent Iroquois leaders and marveled at their personal freedom.

Will Beldman : You've done ancient Rome, Sparta and Athens. As a change of pace, it would be fun to do a democracy like the U.S. or U.K. but in a similar style. As if we were 2000 years in the future looking back on how a 20th century democracy functioned.

metalhead2508 : Dank Demes are where it's at yo.

MrNice : Thank you for uploading!

Joe Copley : Ancient History student here and I just spent this term studying this exact topic. This video is a perfect summery of what I studied. This will be helpful later down the line when it comes to revise for the exam period. Thank you very much Historia Civilis; amazing and informative content as always!

lithgrapher : Square porn please

Jonas Drøjdahl : Well, this was illuminating. I knew of the Athenian Democracy before, and understood some of the peculiarities, but this was more complex than I had expected, with more thought put into it than I had realised. I guess I was a bit coloured by the story of the ostracism of Aristides, which made the Athenian Democracy seem so chaotic and foolish.

Out Living : I'm a simple man, I see a historia civilis video I click

John Fake : Finally!!!!

Jason Doe : It's worth mentioning that the "ostracised" person could keep all his property, and he and his family would suffer no other repercussions other than his forced physical absence from the city for 10 years. The goal was removal from the political life, not punishment of any sort. For the Athenians, it was inconceivable that a citizen would be physically present but not participate in politics – even implying that someone didn't want to engage in "the common" [public matters] would be a huge insult. The modern term "idiot" comes from their word "idiotes", meaning the person who only cares about his private matters.

rafafr9 : O Just love when the ending song plays after a small pause, It is so satisfying

Bolshevik Leninist : There are a lot of wrong things here lol, mainly based on the misconception that before the Athenians the world was a bunch of monarchic barbarians. The athenians didn't invent democracy: they killed it and put an aristocracy in it's place. What changed was the degree of openness of said aristocracy.

EoEo : Amazing Video, very detailed. However, I find Athens a bit meh.. It's like the Beta version of The Roman Republic.. Whose politics seems way way more exciting.

Michalis Famelis : I'd love a similar one on the Old Swiss Confederacy.

Braderz1506 : 2:23 "Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Basileus the greek?"

χρονης κ. : European countries need to adopt some of the Athenian practices

hognigk96 : My man got some sick new intro-beats

Jackjohn12 : YOU'RE BACK! I missed you...

Bram Joostens : Having to wait 3 generations for a foreign family to become a citizen is a pretty good way to make sure foreigners have adopted your culture etc. We should make this a thing in Europe (3gen family anywhere in europe = citizen)

John Gallagher : In BC it is a given that foreigners, women and slaves were not part of government (and children) why state it.  Like it was something bad at the time.  It was a democracy and as far as foreigners and children there is no reason for them to be in government.  And as things are going maybe women, too.

Mohammed Shabuddin : nice intro

Jakub Hejna : How is foreign citizens not participating in a democracy a negative of said democracy tho?

Throw Away : The Historia Civilis fap challenge: You can only fap whenever a historia civilis video is released. Good luck

intoxicary : What was Pericles role in establishing Athenian Democracy?

vlad : This politics are boring. I prefer war videos. Do more on Rome please!

Stelios D : Women vote was a mistake.

King JötenHeimr : Gotta love all these We wuz kangz comments by these brown people, We built civilisation not you!

DoctuhD : 18:50 Where is Sicily?!?!? It's gone :o

Donny Fish : Seeing a new video made my day

Jay Peebles : Can u please do a video on when the Romans invaded Briton in 52 AD (I think that's the year) cheers

SharpLight : Great video, I just have some observations: *First* : What Athens did was not inventing democracy out of thin air, tribal people live in a similar condition, although without formal voting, they just physically follow the leader they like and tribal affinity keeps the tribe together when a majority follows a certain leader (or decision). I would recommend reading the great _Lewis Henry Morgan_ book _Ancient Society_, I myself come from an Arab society that had tribes (real nomadic tribes) until just over 70 years ago and Morgan's observations are uncannily accurate (even though he was studying Native American tribes). Even the idea of 3 leaders: religious, civil and military comes from tribal society, you can find examples in _Ancient Society_ but I'll give you one from the Bible: the Israelite had a prophet (religious), a judge per tribe (civil) and one king to lead their army (military). The ancient Semites, who _invented_ civilization, did it so gradually and in such a limited and inhospitable place under constant threat of invasion from the great deserts, that the kings tended to dominate over their structures, while the Greeks obtaining the latest and greatest science & technology (thus jumping over thousands of years of slow development) and then developing further in close urban centers without the danger of constant invasion by tribes they quickly (counted in generations not years!) transformed from tribes to cities and were able take their tribal ideas and put them into institutions. I could go on and on, but the point is: the democratic mechanism of majority rule exist informally in _all_ tribal societies. *Second* : Athens was the name of the city, but everyone in Attica (the region) was a citizen, this is what was different and unique about Athens compared to the other Greek city-states. It combined urban and countryside into one political unit. The modern administrative structures derived mainly from European development separates city and countryside as they were in medieval times, when cities were ruled by a council and answered to the King and the countryside was part of the local feudal domain. In imperial China the administrative division combines the city and the surrounding countryside into a single unit and both were ruled by a single magistrate residing the city. In the last 40 years or so modern China has slowly returned to this model and gradually abandoning the European model, Now China is divided into: Sub-provincial cities, prefecture-level city, County-level cities, etc Where all are combinations of a city & its surrounding countryside into a single administrative unit. *Third* : Athens did not exist in a vacuum, cities and city states were growing all over the Greek world and setting up governments and constitutions with democratic mechanism (even Sparta used majority rule in its highest counsel). Athens was the one with the widest franchise and the largest citizen body (because it included all of Attica) which might have helped it create the most democratic of those governments. --------- I have lots of ideas about democracy and urbanization, I reflect on these ideas quite a lot to maybe better understand why settled urban Arab societies (from ancient times to today) lack democratic mechanisms while clearly originating from tribes that were _de facto_ democratic—famous Arab generosity is nothing more than informal social welfare to gain popularity with the "voters" (the more you give the higher your tribe will regard and follow you), something that every democratic government practices (specially when the poor have the right to vote)—but I think this comment has gone way too long. Keep up the good work 👍👍