Climate Change 1958: The Bell Telephone Science Hour

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rugbyguy59 : "Dangerous questions because with our limited knowledge... " Interesting, because while we know a lot more now, it reminds us that when deniers say "we don't know enough" they are actually suggesting we can just pretend not knowing means no problems.

Bradley Greenwood : Dr. Baxter, and the AT&T films we watched, made elementary school tolerable. I can still thread a projector :)

imtehshit : Shhhhhh. You aren't supposed to talk about global warming! There is too much money to be made off oil!

thorium222 : Well, nobody can say, we just didn't know...

nash984954 : I'm pissed,let down and flummoxed that in 1958, the guy is describing the effects of industry 58 years ago, with deniers pretending the issue was just created recently to create carbon taxes, and nothing waited for James Hansen to arrive, it was pretty much suspected even then, that humans burning increased CO2 content, and the guy even said melting of polar ice caps which at that time there was massive cold and frozen tundra, and really massive ice floes, and now much of it melted. Thanks greenman, though I saw the full video, I think in 1958 when I was 8 years old and here in 2010.

tobyr3 : Clear warnings were present 57-years ago which resulted in only a tiny fractions of the changes that were needed. Many, who now are becoming aware of the problem, believe the warnings are recent and they have no historical perspective on the procrastination and the failed proposals that many believed would save us. Note: It was Bell Telephone Labs that announced the development of the solid-state transistor that led to the micro-electronics revolution. Many deniers today regularly demonize scientists to justify maintaining their self-centered world views.

Gus Frederick : In "Mr. Sun" there is a great segment showing how "Peak Oil" works, using an "Energy Bank" metaphor. Brilliant!

Trotr : 59 years. Let that sink in.

Craig Browning : Does anyone know this film's sources for Climate Change Data? With President Trump's claiming Climate Change was invented by the Chinese, I would like to ask him , When did the Chinese invent it? and Who was responsible for doing so? And how did a Bell Labs Educational film from 1958 (put together by Republicans, by the way) make reference to it?

torgman : We could drown the South, where a lot of deniers live? 🤣

notrombones : If I don't believe in it, it will just go away.

Ben Wolfram : Its the gesture professor from the beginning of "the mole people"!

Joseph Napurano : Down.. down

Ewie M : The global warming hoax is that old?

M L Jones : Be a good citizen of the Earth, please send you generous donations to... Al Gore. He will stop the world's climate from changing and save the Earth for all of us.

Ad Mirer : Wise old Doc. Baxter-whose Ph.D was in English. English astronomer Walter Maunder was the first to describe climate change-and linked it to sunspots/solar activity. guess what folks..we are now entering a solar activity minimum-get yer fur coats out!

Joseph Wonderless : Greenman needs to stop smoking that funny green stuff.

Aaron Reichert : 1:11 _"it's been calculated a few degrees rise in the earth's temperature would melt the polar ice caps"_ what calculator are they using?  Side note it has gone up a few degrees, and from what I know the polar icecaps are still there... sure they have grown and shrank... about once per year...  Semantically even if the earth where to get colder they would melt a little every summer. There is no way I can put this together where it sounds at all scientific. It has been calculated if ALL the ice in the world melted the oceans would rise 216 feet... the amount of land sticking out of the water would change by under 10%, however the amount of land that would be to hot to use would be much greater. The amount of land previously to cold to use that became usable would also be much more substantial. In the end oceans rising and flooding the earth sounds cool and apocalyptic, but the temperature increase needed to melt all the ice would redraw the boundaries of our civilizations in a way that dwarfs the impact of the projected oceanic boundaries. Even the end all be all maps drawing all the land we could possibly lose is really just not that impressive when considering the temperature required to achieve this and how the required temperature would change the world. Now on a story like this why would *everyone* intentionally bury the lead?

duy : I don't get climate change. So a little bit of water will come on land. We'll relocate. What's the bit deal!

gamebro : 6 billion tons a year they were worried about? We do 40+billion a year now. No mass exodus from Florida yet, everything seems to be a garden for most of the landmass. I think the planet is a tiny bit warmer, but it's a good thing. Don't care if the polar bears die off, we don't need them anyways, just paint normal bears white... ho ho ho! Okay okay... I guess we can keep them in zoos. Darn hippies and your need to preserve things even though you don't believe in God, and believe the universe dies in a Quintilian years anyways, but whatever and have a nice day! =D

Jan Brandt : Go ahead believe your fake science. CO2 is actually a plant food, the more you have with warm temperatures the better trees and other vegetation grows. Just like a hothouse. Gore has become a multi millionaire by being the high priest for the warming cult, he may not have been the first but he is the most prominant.

Joseph Wonderless : I just lost respect for these people who made this. Joke.

David Smith : The funniests (scariest) thing about the Climate Fanatics is that they think politicians can change the weather if we give them all our money. How in the goddam world did you get to that point?

joseph peden : For those ignorant of real Science, Catastrophic CO2-Climate Change hasn't got a Prediction right yet. That's as Scientifically Falsified as it gets. Their Warming Models can't even reproduce the past Temp. record. All because they dial in the idea that CO2 "must" cause Climate Change, then make obviously false presumptions about some other influences and throw in magically appearing aerosols as needed. Money, control, and a lot of deluded and needy Narcissistic "save the worlders" make the whole fraud work for the Totalitarians at the top. CO2-Climate Change is the greatest pseudo-scientific hoax ever. There is nearly an endless list of what these Controllists, Cronies, and Zealots get wrong and ignore. All for only their own benefits. I started looking at it in 2000 not expecting to find what I did: quite a large number of "scientists' aren't doing real science! Others don't even know what real science is. Another hint, "Consensus" has nothing to do the practice of real science. Real science was designed from the outset of avoid things like Consensus, Theocratic or Royal Pronouncements, Votes as determinants of facts, etc. But these frauds have to tout it because their own "science" is falsified by the failure of their own predictions.

lilly bloom : This is a doctored video, and is itself a crock!! It's meant to hide the fact that the Changers today were Freezers before they were Warmers! Sad!

genedraper16 : Global warming is the greatest scam of our generation.

Richard Pauli : Lessons not learned, will be repeated.

Dane C. Sorensen : Still a great film. Foreshadowed Carl Sagan's Cosmos by decades.

uchudaikaiju : "down, down..."

sportster1988 : Climate change is for ninnies.

Total Annihilation Theory : No technology's exist that could refreeze the arctic sea ice on the scale necessary to save us. There is no saving us . Sad but true. Time to stop repeating that old platitude.  Nothing that humans can do will stop the sea ice and glaciers from melting and the seas rising. This summer the arctic suffered an almost blue water event. Fresh water is pouring into the seas right now and perma frost are melting at a rapid rate all over the world. The release of methane that comes with permafrost and sea bed melting will accelerate warming. Located within zones that will be severely damaged by seas rising are man's greatest folly, the nuclear power plant. Fuchushima has multiple meltdowns doing it's job to help heat the planet with cores burning hotter than the sun. Releasing man made radiation in volumes that dwarf the 2500 nuclear bomb test of the 1940s,50s,60s  combined. We where exposed then and now. There are many things that could possibly happen to bring man to extinction. The fact is glacial and sea ice are rapidly melting right now. Humans are sick in ways never known before our biosphere was irreparably irradiated with man's folly. We are living in uncertain times for sure. There are things to be done now to alleviate suffering in the near future. Move away from the rising sea before you become a climate refugee. These are the things to be thought about now. There is no stopping or fixing this predicament. A mass human migration from the seaside now is the only hope. Humans changed the world for the worse now they need to change to keep from suffering from it. Food could be the next problem. might have to utilize caves and subways etc. to grow in a more controlled environment. Stop thinking about how we can fix it and start thinking about how we are going to live with it. Good Luck we might not can live with it. But what fun to try.

David Pate : Thanks Frank Capra, the movie producer who keeps on giving!

Ward Cleaver : polar ice caps melting? oh come on now that's preposterous.

Martin Hallén : Maybe its more silly that you believe you have better judgement than 97% of climate scientists.

Antithropocentric : Now you've got the Arctic confused with the Antarctic, or maybe you're forgetting that ice does indeed form in fall and winter in the Arctic? If you are trying to deny overall loss of ice, including most of the world's glaciers, you are full of it.

Antithropocentric : Here is a good article explaining the growth of Antarctic ice. Search for: "Mysterious growth of sea ice in Antarctica explained by stronger winds"..."Strong westerly winds around the South Pole account for an 80 percent increase in sea ice volume over the past three decades." Caution. The above article requires reading for actual knowledge, and it's not as easy to interpret as a Limbaugh sound-byte that attempts to debunk years of research with a minute of glib BS.

RechargeableLithium : Yes, on this planet things do freeze in the WINTER which is what the southern hemisphere is just coming out of. But while Antarctica is a continent (rock underneath, ice on top) and thus different from the Arctic, both continue to lose overall ice mass. You have a choice - believe cherry picking denialists funded by fossil fuel interests, or science with people on the ice actually watching it all melt. It's got ZERO to do with former VP Gore.

greenman3610 : see this video by nasa, just last week. New studies show very critical glaciers shrinking dramatically from below watch?v=qzVM-aR-e60 as for the sea ice, Ive answered that before watch?v=MPnj9eR7t0g You would do well to watch this comprehensive lecture by one of the world's experts, Richard Alley watch?v=o4oMsfa_30Q

greenman3610 : If by "ice sheets", you mean the actual land based ice on greenland, that is shrinking 6 times faster than 2 decades ago. If by "ice sheets", you erroneously mean the arctic sea ice, this year's ice was the 6th lowest in about 1500 years of records. Do you even know what you mean?

Gerald Allen : Someone forgot to tell Antarctica. Ice sheets are growing once more. Oops Al Gore lied.

Gerald Allen : And why are the arctic ice sheets growing once more? Was it because of global cooling now? Your gods, AL and Barry, are just trying to con money. Look at Al's selling carbon credits. What BS. You can't buy credits to off set energy use. The earth doesn't issue credits and a con man like Al is just looking for suckers, like you.

Antithropocentric : Your concept of who's doing the cherry-picking is highly ironic. One of the worst cherry-picks is the repeated false claim that 1998 heralded a start of "global cooling" by treating that El Nino spike as a starting point. And it doesn't even work in that context. Warming clearly continues. Look in a mirror and you'll have no tolerance for your own logic. CO2 controls about 80% of radiative forcing. Search for articles on that if knowledge is your actual goal vs. wingnut propaganda.

Antithropocentric : "We should all be dead by now!" is a hallmark phrase of people who cherry-pick data and can only see the world in extreme black & white terms. They filter out any shades of gray or uncertainly because simple minds need instant answers. Get a functioning brain, then get an education to fill it with something other than right-wing reactionary bull. Education doesn't work on the brainless so it's an overrated solution.

Antithropocentric : Al Gore was only about 10 years old when this film was made, but conspiracy nuts will probably claim he was "in on it" from the womb. Research on CO2 had already occurred by the 1800s (Tyndall, Arrhenius et al), so any conspiracy would need to span well over a century! The reality is that science and logic ruled this issue until the wingnuts merged it into their longstanding anti-regulation agenda. THEY are the ones who politicized it, but like most thugs they try to blame the other guys.

Antithropocentric : In modern times, people are emitting about 100 times more CO2 than volcanoes, you pathological liar.

Carol Nygaard : In the Bible, it talks about how we have a responsibility to take care of the earth. It was not silly in 1958, and it is especially not silly now. You are the one who is wrong! If only we had done something about it back in 1958!!

dougmolitor : You show a complete inability to even recognize lies. When an industry that makes hundreds of billions a year destroying the climate cannot convince 98% of the scientists (who live on grants) to repeat their lies...guess what? IT'S HAPPENING.

Cyrus Slapatich : Global Warming not panning out so good. Climate Change is the grandaddy of all them all. Too hot, too cold, fires, floods, draughts, melting, freezing, etc. All caused by climate change. A genius method to separate fools from their money and freedoms.

THELORDOFEXCESS : Denial and willful ignorance are clearly the primary pastime of Alexander Wanda.

RechargeableLithium : Sorry, no. I have to stick with real climate scientists and the world's peer-reviewed publications. Even the world's Navies are preparing to patrol the Arctic Ocean once it's COMPLETELY clear of ice. Commercial ships are traveling 'over the top' now, and countries are claiming underwater drilling rights. Look at this for just one example: (here on the Tube): CBBEyJVj5MY Google Real Climate - a climate blog by real climatologists