Super Mario Odyssey - It's No Masterpiece

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Joseph Anderson : Thanks for watching! I'll be streaming most of today if you want to stop by and ask any questions about the new video. You can find me here: https://www.twitch.tv/andersonjph This video took forever. Nier Automata was meant to be next but after playing Odyssey I decided I had enough to say about it that I should go for that next. The video was meant to be 45 minutes. You saw how that turned out. I realize parts of this may seem a bit excessive but it was important to prove my points. Most of what has been said about this game so far has had little evidence to support it--on the moon side of things. The movement system has had some good discussions already. Here are some more links. This video will likely get copyright claimed by Nintendo but that's okay. Patreon is doing well enough to support videos like this one now. And check out HeavyEyed's channel if you're looking for some more content. He's under 10k subs while I'm writing this. I hope he gets above that. https://www.youtube.com/c/HeavyEyed https://www.patreon.com/JosephAnderson https://twitter.com/jph_anderson https://discord.gg/8gSBsYC

InnocuousRemark : Oh no I'm gonna listen to Joseph mispronounce Mario for two hours

Jarvis Bailey : You're right it's no masterpiece. It's actually a *MASTAPEECE*

Mitchell : Jeez i thought i was hard to please

Matthew Hoinville : "Also, I'm sorry if that was tedious to go through for anyone who's already played the game already, but I figure if you have, then you're used to tedeum already and shouldn't be bothered by it." The salt is real and I absolutely love it

E1ite Yoshi : Just got done watching your video and while you do bring up some questionable design choices on the game designer's part, you could've shortened the length of the video to get your point more across. The problem is that yeah, you are right on Odyssey not being a perfect game, but you didn't have to stretch out your video to prove your point. Your video comes off as monotonous and repetitive by how you're trying to represent your opinion and not many people are going to listen to it as a result. I've read some of the comments prior to my viewing of this video and based on what I saw you're on some points, but it sounds like you wanted Odyssey to be a rehash of Mario 64 but with some changes. I'm not trying to say that your video is bad or anything because it's not, you did put a lot of effort into it, but you've could've done a lot of things to improve it instead of repeating the same points over and over again.

24 Frames Of Nick : Okay but super Mario odyssey takes a lot from spongebob squarepants battle for bikini bottom and I stand by that premise

Masonano Barino : This comment section has one of two parties: "You disagree with Joe? Well, you're a fanboy who will take anything that Nintendo will hastily throw at you. Mario Odyssey ruined Mario!" Or "All these points are null and void because the video is 2 hours long, and he just repeats his points." And good God, I equally hate both of these sides. One is just accepting the fact that Joe's opinion is absolute fact, and the other is ignoring actual criticism. Not everything is as black and white. There is a grey area. As for me, I actually LOVE Mario Odyssey, and still do, but I agreed with the fact that the game can be repetitive, or that some of the moons are pretty mediocre (you can only ground pound the same moon so many times). Thing is that I'm accepting of an opinion, and his won't change mine. The only problem I had with the video was how Joe sounded. I don't mean the monotone, that was fine. My problem was that he made it sound like his opinion was above the people who love the game, or that's at least what his tone sounded like to me.

FreezeFlame22 : As someone who hasn't played the game, I jaw-dropped when you revealed the Mushroom Kingdom was in fact one of the last kingdoms rather than the earliest.

YoshiThe1st : Merrio? Merrio?? MERRIO?!?!

Mugen Lord : YOU HIT THIS ONE ON THE HEAD! I couldn't put my finger on it, but I was telling my brothers that the game is good but not great and I was quite underwhelmed. My main issue was the fact that there are so many damn moons in the game and you can earn them at every corner of the game. There weren't any memorable experiences for me with this game compared to Mario 64 and Sunshine. I felt no challenge in this game when collecting moons and it really bummed me out. Every time you enter a new area, the game conditioned me to check behind the level itself to find a hidden moon or purple coins, it got so repetitive. You are right, this Mario game was not made for me and I didn't realize that.

Arcadian : Don't dislike just because you don't agree. Discussion and differing opinions are important to the progression of the art form.

Hainsaw : great analysis, but i can't help but point out the supreme irony of making a 2 hour video about how tedious and padded the game is.

MrLaeddis1 : The amount of work that went into the making of this video is absolutely unbelievable

dexms4 : I understand the points you are trying to make here. It's no question that a lot of these challenge rooms and moons are overly easy, filler, and perhaps even pointless. But I think that's what Odyssey was designed with in mind. SMO is not a great game for how challenging it is, and not really because of how well its unique mechanics are implemented and used. While earlier games such as SM64 set a high bar for how 3D games should be designed, SMO is really just going down a new direction, one in which it epitomizes the 'theme-park' style of game worlds. There are so many things to do while exploring each kingdom, and many of these come with moons attached. But the real experience is in the sense of discovery and wonder, that 'Wow, it's so cool that I can do this' feeling. This isn't something that can be communicated exclusively via well-designed levels, puzzles and well-executed use of game mechanics. Yes, a lot of these challenges are a miss. A number of them are hits. And I agree, a good amount of shrines are filler, just disconnected, uninspired puzzles created to pad out the game's content. Odyssey is a game about exploring these worlds, about figuring out all the cool shit you can do in each of these kingdoms, and feeling that excitement from discovering them. To me, Bench Friends was nothing more than a nice little encounter, and while it didn't present a challenge or make use of the game's potential, it certainly added to the charm New Donk City. The Sphinx encounters had the same feeling to them. At the end of the day, that's what Odyssey is to me, and why I enjoyed it so much. It's just a theme park filled with cool discoveries, endearing characters and game worlds that kept me interested from start to finish.

Fancy Spider : I’ve watched this video like 4 times Edit: And I’ve completed it more times

Gehab : Absolutely amazing video. I don't agree with 90% of what you said, but it's very interesting to see your point of view in such a well written manner.

Eduardo Ota : This guy complains even when he busts a nut

ShyGuyXXL : See, I LIKE playing a game like this thoroughly. I LIKE killing all the enemies, breaking anything that's breakable, making all the flowers bloom, catching all the rabbits, throwing my cap at everything, etc. I'm also the kind of guy who enjoys cleaning every last speck of goop in Super Mario Sunshine whenever possible so... different strokes for different folks.

Betacle TV : Really well made video. I disagree, but good video.

Joshinator S : Finally someone else sees that it isn't "The Perfect Game" that everyone screeches about.

Daniel Santos : Just finished the video, it was worth a moon.

Dusty O'Daffer : I finished the main story this morning and was very excited to watch your video. You did not disappoint. I watched every minute and agree with roughly 95% of your analysis. Oddessy was a letdown.

Liam 52 : Ive seen a lot of comments saying Joseph Anderson is nitpicky but after seeing him talk about how every rock and hat could be a moon and so on I don't think he is nitpicky I just think he is pissed off with the game and possibly for good reason

Lucas Bell : I'm going to summarize my thoughts briefly. Did I play the original 3D Mario games? Yes. I played 64 and Sunshine. So when I heard Odyssey was being released, I was in fact relatively excited. ...BUT, before I delved into Odyssey, I replayed 64 on an emulator to see if I was going to end up nostalgically blinded by Odyssey upon its release. I did the same for Breath of the Wild with Ocarina of Time. Upon replaying 64, I realized that it wasn't as good as I had fantasized for quite some time. It was good, yes, great even. But it was not the masterpiece I had initially thought I fell in love with. Even taking age out of the balance of things, there were a handful of flaws that did hinder my nostalgic beliefs. So when I played Odyssey, there was no nostalgia to be had. I knew fully well what the other games were like and refused to let them blind me in my playthrough. Odyssey was better than 64 or Sunshine by LEAGUES. It was simply just better - again, perhaps since it was newer, but even for a game released in this day and age Odyssey was beyond exceptional. So no, I was not blinded by my rose-tinted glasses when I claimed Super Mario Odyssey was the best game of 2017. And I still stand by that claim. You may argue at whatever whims.

Pacific Fun : I watched the entire video. All I can say is that you simply missed the point of the game. (no, I didn't dislike your video and you do have some good points but many of them feel very contradictive or just straight up confusing). Its as if you bought the game and wasted all of this time to complain about it. Your video feels more bloated than the game itself.

Dav : 52:37 "Best: 99" now i get what inspired you to make this video... (It's a joke ofc, people don't get triggered) Also please stop calling Mario "Meiryo"

Araragi : the comments wtf

BWareHD : I feel like no one liked sunshine, that game is my favorite, just doesn't get the love that it deserves!

ZGX : I loved sunshine it was my childhood

Keago : This is possibly your worst video, although I appreciate the point, rehashing it over and over and over and over really drags on. It's possible to critique a game without becoming guilty of the same thing you are critiquing. I was going to give Heavy a shot until watching that he loves PUBG and had to trudge through Okami... not really for me...

Hill Smith : You definitely play games VERY differently, but that isn't a bad thing. I like different, and we need a little more different viewpoints in this world. I respect you a lot, even though I disagree with probably half of this video (that is a good thing, nothing wrong with agreeing or disagreeing or differing opinions). Your evidence to back up your opinions is impeccable too. I actually made a comment that was much longer, but YouTube errored on me and I lost it (oh no... lol). I don't feel like typing it up again lol, but I wanted to at least say that I respect you a lot and still enjoyed this video very much.

Naiko : no offense but this video could easily be 10 mins, and it doesnt even most things right, that "it lacks magic" comment is just completely subjective.

Casual Keldeo : "This video does not make sense" *Proceeds to dislike the video without watching it*

TheGreatest Dancer : This game is going to age really poorly once the hype is gone. This is nowhere near the quality of the Galaxy games or 3D World. It's a hell of a lazy game. Small hubs with nothing too do but collect worthless moons. It's a glorified collectathon. It was very successful, so I'm afraid this might be the end of the true Mario games, with platforming being a thing of the past.

Jake Maruth : I think the problem that you and many other people have with Odyssey is that you really loved Mario 64 as a kid. That makes Odyssey not as good for you because: 1. You wanted it to be everything Mario 64 was but better. 2. You're not a kid anymore. I had a lot of fun playing Odyssey. It can be repetitive, but "repetitive" does not equal "boring useless garbage that I'm being FORCED to play." Mario Odyssey is an amazing game with great visuals, music, and gameplay. It is absolutely a masterpiece. No game can be fun when you demand that it be the exact same as a twisted nostalgia fantasy.

Puffin Sama : True. It's even better than a masterpiece. It's with the *big boys*

Christopher Swanson : i stopped watching at 20:50 because i realized you were cherry picking arguments. you took issue with the world names but completely disregarded their actual names like Tostarena, Bubblaine, Forgotten Isle, or Fossil Falls, just to service your point.

TheGreenShyGuy : Look bud I'm gonna watch your whole video and I'm sure you have great points but I'm literally two minutes in here and you say Galaxy 2 is the better Galaxy game and Mario 3D World was better than Sunshine I mean if you wanna take any kind of valuable atmosphere in a video game and just throw it down the drain just let me know in advance lol

Mixed Man : The comments make me loose my brain cells.

Boris Mikhail : I tried to give this video a shot, but at 22 minutes I really can't dedicate any more energy. I simply disagree with the opinions displayed, and I DEFINITELY don't appreciate the 'opinions stated like facts' way that you went about the start of this video. I usually quite like your content, but this one does not feel like it was written by the same person. This one feels like it was written by someone who's upset, and upon not liking a game tried to find excuses for why it is bad instead of recognizing that perhaps it just wasn't made for him. I've been in the same place, we all have, but that's not a stance that I feel is fair to the game.

Ville Haapamäki : Who the hell is märio??

ShyGuyXXL : I'm sorry you didn't have fun with it. I was having a whale of a time from start to finish (999 moons). I guess you can't please everybody.

Tentatek Ltd : Dude, I honestly agree so much! Odyssey disappointed me as well, it had no definite ending, and it felt like it could never be beaten with the endless power moons, unlike galaxy and super Mario 64.

Liam McKenna : this is super manipulative for anyone who hasn’t played the game

The Narrator : I love long videos

Nintend_ : Sometimes I wonder if this guy every even played a 3D platformer collect-o-thon. A lot of the points I heard up to where I currently am in the video (42:48) only said that the exploration was bad, and that repetitious moons can't be enjoyed at all unless you are inferior. I agree that the exploration wasn't great and a chunk of moons weren't good, but would you rather be walking around and doing tricks for minutes at a time and then find nothing? That kind of gets rid of the entire purpose of exploring unless you're just there JUST to get there, which is completely fine if you are. One particular peeve I had up to the (42:48) mark was how often he said the exploration was bad and then how many clips there were of him passing up alternate or harder paths, almost as if the "fun I was trying really hard to find" was just around the corner. My final issue so far though, the example "Hover Nozzle" was used to say how easy platforming was and how it ruined the platforming aspect of the game, but the he just goes around using hardly any move involving Cappy to "try and get the full experience". Am I the who isn't only failing to see the continuity errors in any of these three statements? Maybe the second hour gets better or at least fairly reinforces these points, because so far everything just sounds like he's "above" everyone else...

Ludibrious Games : I disagree completely. There's a lot to say, but I don't want to list them all. One I will say though is that Yoshi's Island powerups are replacements, not an extension of Yoshi's abilities. Same goes for Galaxy. In Galaxy, the powerups are timed or in a tiny area, with the exception of Yoshi. If you get an invincibility star, it's always on a tiny spherical planet or in a tiny room with a bunch of enemies to kill. A fireflower or and ice flower are exclusively used to get somewhere, then they're gone. Same with the Yoshi ones. The plane, the mole, etc. Another thing, something like the "Bench Friends" is just supposed to be charming. It's purpose is to show you that not every single moon has to have some amazing crazy significance to the fate of the whole universe and that if you don't get it, everyone will die. They don't all have to be that. You barely require 1/10th of the possible moons to beat the game. Beating the game, being getting to the credits. This game isn't supposed to be so SERIOUS. Not everything has to have so much PURPOSE. It's a game. It's just supposed to be fun. Sometimes, you just find a guy and he tells you how he's doing. He doesn't know you, you don't know him. It's just supposed to be charming. It's to show you how the little things in life don't always have to matter so much. The best way to enjoy this game, in my opinion, is to just take it slow, stop to smell the roses. If you can't do that, it's really hard to appreciate a game like Odyssey. Mario is a game about saving Peach from Bowser. You can take as long as you need, there's no real THREAT. It's not like Paper Mario where there's a real story. But I'm getting off topic. In conclusion, Super Mario Odyssey is not a game meant to be taken so seriously. You should try stopping for a second and seeing that not everything has so much immediate significance. Or not. That's okay. It's just something to consider. Please try to, for the sake of your enjoyment. PS, I'm interested in hearing your opinion of Kirby Triple Deluxe or Kirby Planet Robobot after hearing this. Thanks for reading, also. Wow.

fcaylak21 : The part that starts at 37:40 is BRILLIANT. I keep coming back to this video just because of it.

TheShadow1347 : So many dislikes for this Super Mario Odyssey video, do that many people actually like Odyssey that much?