Understanding the rise of China | Martin Jacques

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Erxiao Wang : 这臭老头,这么快就发现了,本来还想再捂两年,现在西方的绝大多数媒体和人民就像满清走向没落之际一样,仍然还觉得自己才是世界的中心,同样的心态,当年我们被坚船利炮轰开了国门,不久之后他们的大门也将会被轰开,只不过不是以武力,而是以文化。自此。

Chen Alex : China is not rising ,china is coming back ~

keff : In 1405 the Chinese sent a fleet of 200 ships with 30, 000 sailors and marines from China, thru Malaya, India, Arabia then to East Africa. They established diplomatic and trade links with native countries, but did not make a single colony or conquest. A few decades later the Portuguese and Spanish started their own great voyages. The natives they met suffered a very different fate. Dont believe me? Research Admiral Zheng He

Desmond Qu : As a Chinese grow up in China, I got say this man knows Chinese culture at core, truth be told, he knows China better than most Chinese people I know.... This is especially rare for a western scholar, since most western scholars tend to view China with biased eyes, sometimes with propaganda....

姜璐 : 这家伙真的非常可怕,对中国研究的太细致太深入骨髓了。我都不敢用英文打字了,让那些西方的公知和媒体们继续催眠他们的群众吧。

Zefan Tan : 战略忽悠局你他娘的在哪,这尼玛都包不住了已经?

Qin Zhang : 此人不能留 就凭他很明确地指出中国的体系是靠‘文明国家’而非‘民族国家’这点 决不能让他继续提醒西方 哪怕这是很早以前的视频 我希望任何认同我们文化的人 不要去刻意与西方争论 打没用的键盘嘴仗 那句话怎么说的来着? 遇到一个sb,不要去试图说服他,而应该顺着他们来,把他们培养成大sb

Han Lee : 7年后看这个视频,伴随着国内互联网经济,一带一路,分享经济等,觉得Martin多年前的预言正在一步一步变为现实。在法国待了两年,欧洲的固步自封体现得淋漓尽致。出国一年后回国一次,以前只用来和朋友联系的微信就变成城市生活的必不可少的了,突然那么真实的感受到中国进步那么快,那么实在。回法国后,学校来了个创业团队推动手机支付,毕竟商学院可以算是全法最年轻有活力乐于接受新鲜事物的一群人了,但使用者还是寥寥无几。现在国内又出现了共享单车等,每次回国都觉得自己落伍的感觉真的很奇妙,然后迫不及待的开始了解最近出现的新事物,新生活方式。以前是个实实在在的反共份子,有多次入党机会都放弃了,但是随着知识,阅历的增长,以前因为无法理解而厌恶的东西,比如户籍制度等,慢慢也有了答案,这的确是当时环境下最好的选择,现在反而慢慢开始期待共党的表现了。我党什么时候能把环境治理,房价等民生问题提上日程啊?

Metal Panda : 幸好这种人少,不然中国就麻烦了。。。

seymour wang : 我真心不喜欢这哥们。。就是因为他 我真心感觉的危险感,因为这个哥们对我们的文化已经思想的了解已经进入了 另一个完全不同的境界 我对西方人的了解 他们对中国文化的了解程度 完全升华掉了。、。。 他的思想比台湾人都要成熟对中国的了解,我觉得这太可怕了,这也是英国政府以及整个欧洲对中国的态度来了180度的大转弯。因为他们的政府听取了他的建议。我觉得 所谓的 西方学者,他们真心是存在的。。。虽然我以前都觉得他们是扯淡的。。太可怕了 他竟然提到了 汉族。。。这就意味着 他搞清楚了 为什么后几百年中国为什么那么弱鸡 即使在 清朝初期 在西方眼中也强不到哪去,因为明朝已经开始用火枪 和火炮了,因为末代出了2个 昏君 导致末代皇帝 也无能为力

Masaya Kawazoe : Chinese know more about West than Westerners know China.

Shuai Liu : 在人类文明中,中国人经历太多的蜕变了,无需跟他们解释... 这就是咱炎黄子孙的高冷

Driver Asphalt9 Andoid : 中国有句古话叫闷声大发财,一句话不说,在我看来,是最吼的

tarun kumar : China will be a new superpower..wishes from its nerighbour India. :)

Mokidd94 : China is not a bad country ,the west has made us to think it is so. Only fools will believe the west.

yifei peng : 听到台下的笑声,我想大部分人并没有把他的话听进去吧,教授对于中国的认识有多深刻不知道,但能感觉到他有很多话想说却没有时间继续说下去,西方国家推行着自己的价值观,但也因此而忽视其他世界的价值观,我们中国人在崛起的过程中是否也应该注意这个问题呢?因为从历史的角度来讲中国人的骄傲比起现在的西方人有过之而无不及吧,沉醉在这种骄傲之中也正是中国沉沦的一大原因,我认为中国的文化需要做出改变,这种改变必须从根治这种盲目的自大开始

Dimes Tu : He predicted 3 things in University of Melbourne 2011, and all are correct. 1. The failure of The Trans-Pacific Partnership against China; 2. The dispute in East and South China Sea will cause tension but will not be escalated into military conflict; 3. The abandon of "One-Child Policy". This dude really knows about china. Perhaps you might say he is biased, guess what, who isn't? Are your mainstream free of bias? BBC, CNN, Fox? Seriously? Why so obsessed with the prerequisites of "communism is bad"? Will a purely worst system be able to fight germany in WW2 and compete with US for more than half a century? Does his bias make his logic insufficient? Why avoiding hearing different voices? Btw, "War is about deception. Make them think you are weak so that they would underestimate you ", Art or War, 500 BC. Guess who brought up some of the "china bad" & "china collapse" in last decades? Still a chinese called Gordon Chang. Now guess, is he really think so or is it a deception?

Clairex Chen : 这老哥们儿满世界讲真话 我们本来躲得好好的非要把我们揪出来 不能策反建议组织派人把他做了

Michael Song : 19:04巴铁已经被证明是个骗局,即便是这么中国通的老外也还是不懂中国的特殊国情。中国现在否极泰来,处于上升期,但是想维持住,可千万不能走以前的老路,觉得中华民族最牛B,极端民族主义抬头,漠视其他文明(就如同视频中老头说的,西方文明盲目地认为自己的文明存在优越性,对其他文明嗤之以鼻)。对其他文明保持敬畏之心,多了解,知己知彼。

jjcco 333 : 14亿人有一半以上人都在拼命想办法赚钱养家糊口,还是一群智商不低的种族,和这些西方国家还在享受过去的工业革命和掠夺带来的繁荣,慵懒的过着日子,我都为他们担忧,未来你们这么办?上帝是公平的,努力都是有回报的,在这个地球上。

S.P.Requiem : Taiwan has been booming before China did, and it had a similar high pressure, non democratic but highly efficient system. But after the 90s when Taiwan reformed into democracy, it became endless fighting between KMT and DPP and the economy stopped growing. In China and Soviet Union you hear them having all those "5 year plan" "10 year plan" and now Xi Jinping is having a "13th 5 year plan". This could not happen in democratic system, all the politicians only care about within their term, and even if someone makes a long term plan, it's very likely to be thrown into the garbage by the next government of the different party. This has been happening in Taiwan, in the US, and in every democratic country in the world.

1943stone : 其实看看评论就知道 有些鬼佬或者有些东亚弹丸小国国民格局有多小,还在纠着那个超级大巴骗局不放,讲真,高铁里程都快比你家公路长了,和西方人谈论政治很扯蛋,因为在他们看来所有与他们不同的地方都是我们落后,他们先进. 英语学好的好处在于终于了解到鬼佬们的格局有多低,见识有多有限,思维方式有多愚蠢。 最近几十年中国人都在努力学英语了解世界,同时期的西方人不知道是否有学习任何一门其他语言去了解西方之外的世界 ? 不说了,高下立判,西方人的傲慢很大部分来源于他们潜意识里的人种优越感。 never trust a white racist. (傻X们就不要扯什么youtube facebook被封锁之类的了,中国经济的三大马车之一是对外贸易,你真以为翻个墙是屠龙之技?你真以为就少数人知道用google ?搞笑)

Cooper Joe : I have to say this guy really know about china.

Donut Troll : 看到下面白皮猪的评论朕已然放心LOL

Zoe Zhu : This comment was sent on 29/4/2017, lots of thing he predicted is achieve now.

sleepyboy : ok If china had been a democratic nation for past 50 years , would the west accept it now , no way. Its just about human greed that doesn't accept other peoples progress. thanks

Waryaa Moxamad : Just skim through China's history, and you would see that their rise was always inevitable, they have gone through almost all of civilization's pitfalls, from aristocracy to warlordism to being humiliated by foreign powers, and for people with keen eyes, which I believe the Chinese are considering their history of inventions, they were able to accumulate wisdom along the way. This allowed them to create their modern system of governance that even the best political scientists in the west still horribly comprehends (again my opinion). Any attempt to describe it with simple nouns/phrases such as communism, free market capitalism ..etc., still falls flat. I think the Chinese political system as not overly dogmatic but a dynamic system that adapts to changing world. For the west (led primarily by America), they are still trapped in 18th century mindset of military hegemony, displaying all the fallacies of yesteryears emperors. Eager to demonstrate their military might on less developed third world countries with ever changing excuses.

飞龙在天 : 此人乃战略忽悠局最大的敌人!

S.P.Requiem : In fact the word "nation" in Chinese is 國家, not just 國 (which also means nation). 家 means "family". In Chinese culture 國 and 家 are deeply connected. There is a Taiwanese old propaganda song called 沒有國哪裡會有家(How can there be family if there's no nation?). It may sound ludicrous to westerners, but the logic is simple: without a strong nation to protect its people, our families will be killed and raped by the northern nomads, and in modern times, the western and Japanese imperialists.

崖縣JRL : 这种人越少越好

ning deng : 对中国的分析很有深意,也说道了很多核心的点。其实很多现象在中国人看来很能理解,我们心痛自己的历史,心系自己的国家,同时持有一种来自2000年文明的自豪感。We never feel deprived by being a developing country. 同时,中国的政府,虽然不民主,但是从来没有朝向凌驾于人民群众的方向前进,越来越多的聆听人民的声音。 作为一个泱泱大国,当然我们有很多做的不好的地方。但是,谁又能说如果换成别人执政,就会更好?谁又能保证?那些觉得中国的经济发展只是GDP表上的一个大额数字的人,没有在中国大城市生活过的人,像北京,真的不知道中国的生活现在有多便利和现代化,支付宝EVERYWHERE, 出门都不用带钱包,哪里都可以电子支付,共享经济的诞生和繁荣只有在中国这个人口众多的国家才能出现。快递业的繁荣和便捷,所有大的小的餐馆都能在APP上下单订餐送到家门口。这种便捷是在美国,这个世界上最发达的国家也享受不到的。生活在中国的人都会觉得这些事情很平常,因为大家已经习惯了这种便捷;我也是直到到了美国我才发现,生活原来这么高成本、不便利、而且孤独,还伴有深夜走在街上的不安全感。 这种孤独和不安全感,我觉得在中国是完全感受不到的。热闹的街道,小贩,夜市,人流,如何孤独?深夜灯火通明车流涌东,到处都是便民警察站, 没有人合法持枪,也不用担心被街上某个人掏出枪来射死。 所以我至今不明白为什么马里兰大学的姑娘会当众说觉得美国空气是甜的。。。或许美国的空气真的感觉很新鲜的,尤其是当你生活在北京几年后,没得说,这是事实。但是即便他的空气再新鲜,也不是祖国养育你的那片土地空气,也不能取代中国在我心中的位置。尤其是作为一个经济学者,结合美国的巨大贸易逆差,其实,中国的空气污染至少有40%是因为外贸工厂生产运往美国的产品,而排放的空气。也就是说,为了满足美国消费者强大的借钱消费的能力,中国牺牲了自己的环境,换取一大堆美元外汇储备,美元的不断贬值,又降低了外汇储备和美元国债的价值,用出口产品和自己已经牺牲的环境换取的美元财富,又白白的流失。这个又应该怎么算? 所以,不要羡慕美国的空气,美国的民主了,只有真正生活在中国的人才知道,什么叫国家,什么是家。

Luna miss lukas : 局座呢?别忙着奶别人了,战忽局形势危急,快回来啦!

Yunfan Hu : 哪儿都能见到国人和完全不了解中国,以为在中国住几年或者接触过几个中国人就觉得自己中国通的老外辩论。我都不敢说我了解中国,这样一个复杂的大国,远超西方人的一般认知。我用中文打这句话,意思就是看到的哥们省省口水,做给他们看,而不是说给这些西方思维的西方人听。

Teo Englian : 中国是以文化立国,中华文明不是国家个体,所以中国历经数千年不断分崩离析后又会重新统一还不断扩大领域,甚至外族入侵也必然会慢慢被时间同化融入中华文明主流,不像其他帝国崩溃后就不再兴起。

Ivbo Mj : 净说大实话,这个人有毒。。。。dont believe him! China is never going to be no.1 in the world. we re still the retarded kid that was left behind. pls be nice to us

孙开一 : Don't believe a single word he said ! Our way sucks.Trust me.

eiji kenji : the hard truth really hurt the pride of westener they cant accept that MODERN SOCIETY are based on CHINESE CULTURE , not white culture. they cant accept that without democracy,  the society could still move forward and do it much better than a society which practiced BALLOT BOX.

dex lee : 我来骂两句。看了很多中文留言,应该都是中国人写的。有些很有见地,但大部分纯粹意淫,还是沉醉在天朝上国的自海中。把别人看的太低了,以为全世界都是蠢货,只有自己最聪明,其实是唯一的蠢货。西方文明先进在哪里,我敢说大部分中国人还是不知道。会说英文,知道几个城市名字,看过几部电影,不代表中国人就真的了解西方文明的先进性,和自己的落后性。说句不好听的,我看中国还要被八国联军多揍几次。 另外,中国78年后高速发展了几十年,一大原因是之前被一个失败的制度钳制了太久(现在还没有完全摆脱),是重病后的一种恢复。二大原因是世界上有很多先进国家可以直接学习。落后太多,所以进步的快也很容易。实际上,中国绝大多数的土地上,还是一片狼藉和贫穷。中国的社会新闻里,不论是哪里都充满了诈骗,犯罪和道德沦丧。很多中国人活着,快乐的唯一源泉就是欺辱弱者。和穷人比,和地位低的人比。中国还很落后,但比深受种姓制度毒害的印度好一点。 中国人还有很多地方不如西方人,特别是文化上的,思维方式上的。根本的一点,受到千年封建思想的毒害,思想不包容,不开放,等级观念很重。中国说自己是社会主义,其实是表面上是共产独裁,血液里是资本主义,骨子里式封建教条。中国人生活里,常常有话不敢说,有想法不敢实行。中国人之所以这么在乎面子,说白了就是里子不够标,实力跟不上。大家心知肚明而已又碍于各种等级的限制。这样的社会一潭死水,何谈美国式的自由,科技,创新。长远的看,经济必将一片惨淡。社会经济的发展,只有一个原动力,就是科技的发展。中国,没有研发科技的土壤。汽车,飞机,火箭,电脑。没有一个是中国人发明的。还有很多人觉得中国要上天?钳制自己人思想的本领真的很强。中国人特别会抄,以前抄别人简单的,别人不在乎,现在等产业升级了,抄不到了,经济必然滑坡。政治改革无解(一党专政)。思想上没有舆论自由(几千年了也不奇怪)。文化上封建等级崇拜(各种清宫剧)。人口断崖(计划生育)。经济僵化(低效大国企垄断)。这些年中国的GDP增长先是12%,然后10%,然后8%,现在6%,很多靠铁公基和地产了,而且越来越慢。美国现在是4%。好像不如中国。但是别忘了,美国的人均可是中国的6倍。也就是说,美国现在的增长相当于中国体量的24%。而且这是科技原生动力推动的增长,是质量最高的。现在还没轮到中国领导世界,虚心学习还是非常重要的。

buddhatwig : "The chinese view the state as the patriarch of the family". My goodness, that is razor sharp and correct. Gives me goosebumps....... This is guy is dangerously intelligent.

weicy : 我本来想用英语说,结果想想还是算了。西方的国家在经历了几百年的主导地位后,觉得真的有点像我们清朝的时候。那个时候皇帝也是各种瞧不上他们的东西,觉得我们是最优秀的,即使有西方大使给他洋枪火炮他也就看看觉得很稀奇,然后就放仓库了。我们的经验来源于历朝历代的经验之谈,他们看不上就看不上吧。毕竟不能要求所有人理解我们“以铜为镜,可以正衣冠;以史为镜,可以知兴替;以人为镜,可以明得失”的价值观念。

Fischer Heisenberg : 他竟然都研究了汉族的形成,太危险了,杀掉吧,金局

Yang C, : Very impressive speech...Three take home points: civilization, race, and state. As a Chinese, I am kind of surprised that he knows China so well. These factors for sure are important reasons why china is on a rapid development. I am sure in a short term, China economy will still develop fast. However, the Chinese now is not perfect. First, in the long term, we may still need more regulations on the government/state, in this way, we may lose some efficiency but we will be more creative. Second, the whole population may still need more time to upgrade to a higher-education educated level, this will help the country upgrade as well... Personal thoughts. Anyway, a good talk!

Good人人 : 这种人好可怕啊 这种人还是少点好

谢顶浪 : 不要紧各位大兄弟,外国人其实很少看这种视频。战忽局还是可靠的ᕙ(⇀‸↼‵‵)ᕗ

paulmaking1980 : Martin Jacques is a very wise man, the West would do well to listen to him & others like him. The simple message is China & Asia is returning to predominance it held for most of history, after 200 years of Western dominance.

James Camelon : As a Chinese, I have to say don't believe what this guy said. The US will still be the most powerful country in the world for a very long time. All our achievements were made up, all our products are copies, we are still living in very poor life, we still don't have the freedom of walking, speaking and breathing. To sum up, the US is the most powerful country in the world, India is the most powerful country in the whole universe, peace!

Anna evanescent : whether you agree with him or not, he is a very wise man. He seems to know what he's talking about.

Camille Lau : 太有远见了,6年前

YINong Xu : This is totally wrong, if you look at the history of China you will know that every dynasty only lives about 200-300 years at best. And at the beginning of the first 100 years will be the golden age, and then fall to recession, so China will not surpass the west. 我是友军,此人言论太危险。

陶轩安 : 说了一大堆没一句实用的。我只是想说,未来无论是东方主导还是西方,或者美帝。我们都应该以谦卑的心态做好主导者或者以学习的心态做好从流者。现在没有一个国家做到我说的这句话,可这才是当主导者的前提。中国才刚刚起步未来漫长,谁高谁低还得要慢慢衡量。