Board Game Breakfast - Fitting Expansions
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Tom Vasel takes a look at the board game news for the week, joined by a host of contributors! 0:22 - Intro 1:24 - News 4:33 - Kickstarter News 9:39 - No Enemies Here 11:50 - Dice Tower Productions 12:53 - Rhino Says Yes 15:11 - Mega Meeple 16:47 - Roll Playing 19:22 - Harsh Opinions 22:23 - Solomode 25:05 - Tom Thinks: Fitting Expansions 29:10 - Dwarf Token 31:16 - Thrift Store Throwbacks 33:45 - Gaming with People 35:33 - The Pitch 38:13 - Tantrum House 40:20 - From the Page to the Table 42:37 - Tom is Wrong 44:31 - Closing Thoughts Check out the friendliest conventions on Earth! Dice Tower Con! - www.dicetowercon.com (July 3-7, 2019) Dice Tower West! - www.dicetowerwest.com (March 6-10, 2019) Dice Tower Cruise! - www.dicetowercruise.com Buy great games at http://www.coolstuffinc.com Find more reviews and videos at http://www.dicetower.com

Comments

xate : i really love The Pitch with the Luzas! ihr seid klasse. :)

Steven Tomcavage : Where's Matthew Jude? Matthew, The Brothers Murph, and Dave Luza are what keep me watching Board Game Breakfast. Now that I think about it, maybe I have a podcast to listen to...

Kriss Coackley : Why are my 'Bippies' not being bet on anymore?

Brice Lory : The "Gaming with the People" section is continually growing on me! I appreciate the work put into your videos!

Brice Lory : Loved the ending for the Pitch! Always geeat for a laugh - just such a grwat segment!

frabac72 : Nothing beats waking up and finding your breakfast ready. Thanks!!!

B Palmer : Ilka and Dave lol...great segment. Good work selling off some games as well.

Patrick White : Why not say what game he played wrong? How is he suppose to be 100% right all the time. My wife and i were playing jamica with a rule wrong for over a year untill some mentioned it. Hard to correct stuff with incomplete information

Robert Richardson : MegaMeeple – I’ve recently upgraded to a collector from just a player and the main difference for me is the giant wishlist combined with the means and desire to check things off that wishlist. Harsh Opinion – AP and using phones in Scrabble is the worst!!! (yes I still play and love Scrabble)

33TieGuy : Always appreciate Suzanne's input. I am not a kickstarter person so I have never been influenced by her segment in that regard but I liked her enthusiasm and it did make me interested. I do, however, buy board game apps so I am so on board with her doing at least one segment of board game apps again. She did open my eyes to that so hooray! I'm sure she'll do a great job in whatever she does next.

Jordan Herd : I really wanna know what game the lady said Tom played wrong

Mike Morris : Expansions - In general I always try to put my expansions inside the core box if it will fit. I will remove or cut inserts to accommodate the new content as well as separate all the different bits into containers or individual bags for quick set up and sorting. It started as simply making room on my shelves, but I then realized how convenient it was to only have to open 1 box to access an entire game. In the Case of games like Clank!, I keep all the cards, tokens and so on in the core box and the 3 game boards in one expansion box.

April W : I always forget to comment on the segments I enjoy by the time I get to the end of this show, so in one big post, here are my thoughts for everything that I THINK I wanted to comment on! @Suzanne: Thanks so much for your contributions! It's been interesting hearing about games that would otherwise miss my radar. Looking forward to your new content. P.S. love hearing you and Mandi on the podcast! @NoEnemiesHere: Just wanted to say "Thanks"! As someone who doesn't play war games, your coverage has drawn me toward them and I might even end up getting one at some point! You do an excellent job in your explanations, breaking the games down into simple terms. Re: Tom Thinks: For me, it depends on the expansion. If I can fit it in the original box I often do, but when you end up with a lot of expansion (like we have for Firefly) that's difficult to do. I have The Gathering Storm expansion for Race for the Galaxy and I shuffled the cards into the deck, but don't always play with the bonus tiles, however I keep them all in the base box. Same with Roll for the Galaxy and Ambtion- I mixed the dice in, but don't always use the bonus tiles. @MegaMeeple: I was asked recently if I just played games or also collected them, and I wasn't quite sure how to respond. I said that I play them and collect a little, because I think of a collection as something you have just to look at, and I own very few games (if any?) for that purpose. Most of my games are played fairly often, but the size of my game library (close to 150) might suggestion that I am a collector. @BoardsAndSwords: I usually don't pay attention to RPGs, but you caught my interest with this one. Might have to take a closer look... Thanks for sharing! @Luzas: love you guys- always enjoy your segments... probably because I can relate. I have to "pitch" games to my husband sometimes. @BoardGameLibrarian: Happy to see the old Star Wars lore getting some love!

Guillermo z : Another great Board Game Breakfast! Thanx everyone!

John McDonnell : Dave and Ilka, The Pitch. Nice though I'd have chosen some that Ilka said no to. Well one anyway.

steve ody : Suzanne oh no!!!! You have helped me so much figure out what to back! Thank you for all your time and effort, you have been so helpful!

Arcmaster90 : Boardgame Librarian: haha used to be canon and now isnt - totally knew it was star wars XD

mkitten13 : Dave, I hope you realize one of your pitches was registered as a Demo and not for sale, lol

David Phillips : I try to be understanding and supportive, but the Tom Is Wrong segment was pointless. Without insight as to the issue, you're basically saying "Tom, please try harder not to make mistakes..." like he wasn't trying that anyway? Anyone else imagine being at work and having a coworker come up and say "I found a mistake you made, but I'm not going to tell you what it is - just try not to make mistakes" without rolling your eyes at them. Tom might as well respond "I know what you're talking about, and lots of people make that mistake - you actually played it wrong." Sorry - too vague to be valid.

Hengst 2404 : @Mega Meeple - I think for me the collecting and the gaming go hand in hand. I tend to find a game I like, and then make sure and collect all of the expansions. I also love games that take place underwater and tend to collect them. @Solomode It all comes down to the individual project. If I am backing a first time designer, I am far more forgiving of delays in the project, as my money helped realize a product for that company. For a company on Kickstarter like CMON, I have little patience as they have been doing these campaigns for so long I expect them to get things done reasonably on time.

Josh Aldrich : A collector keeps games for reasons other than playing them.

yourlongshadows : oooh I'm glad The Expanse is still going strong, will definitely look into the expansion. And great overview of INIS! I've really enjoyed Suzanne's ks roundups - despite them being a danger to my wallet lol - thanks for all the good times <3

EHngel : @Gaming with People - not sure how smart Siri is, but Google assistant knows what a polyomino is

Emma Gamble : @DaveandIlka - great segment and I caught that little Moana reference Dave!

iveo83 : lol "to bad I went all in on the kickstarter" ... me too Dave

Joel Velez : OMG! We are gonna miss your segment Suz!!! Excited for what you do next!

Armstrong Hawkins : Mega Meeple: ...The game "collector" is buying games he/she has no intention of playing. They also buy games that they *will* play. But there is a deliberate effort made to purchase titles that will not be played. For those who purchase and accumulate but always base their purchase on a desire to play the game, over many years, they'll end up with a nice/huge collection of games...but that don't make 'em an actual collector.

Nain1982 : Susanne you missed out in the merlin expansion that's on KS! but good luck in your new segment :0

Shadracked : @gamingwiththepeople. You look exactly like a guy I played Kemet with last night. Is your name Dan?

The Bear : @BL Thrawn is in two seasons of Star Wars Rebels, I know that’s not his own movie but they did really well conveying his love of the arts and his military know how, which he would have probably won the battle against the rebels if not for his subordinates mistakes.

Happy Gamer : @Mega Meeple - You become a collector the moment you buy more games in a given year than you've played. So far in 2018 I've purchased 18 new games but have played games 58 times so far :) ... so when that pendulum swings the other direction I'll have changed to a collector :)

Julio Vallecillo : I always waited for Suzanne KS segment. So sad to hear it's over. Thanks for all the info and research you've provided :)

B Palmer : Tom after you mix expansions into core game keep boxes if art is good. Hang the box cover on wall as game art.

Christian Esch : Suzanne, we will sorely miss you and your round-up! Thank you!

Happy Gamer : @Suzanne thank you for your KS roundups! Definitely appreciate the insight as you've provided some very helpful information! Do you have a recommendation on what would be a good source for this type of coverage going forward?

César Quijano : Suzanne, thanks for all the work and energy you've putting in the segment! Has really helped me to get to know new projects, and I'm sure that has also helped a lot of studios to takeoff! All the best in your future endeavors! ;)

Stuart Dunn : @Tom, I love expansions too! I try my hardest to keep everything in the main box if possible. I also appreciate when designers put a little symbol on the new cards/components that denotes if it is an expansion, so you know where to reference the card/component. 7 Wonders is good about this, as is Roll Player.

David Phillips : Luzas! Love the cut right before the massacre. Hilarious as always!

John Wilder : Great Boardgame Librarian segment. I loved that book, and Thrawn. Great choice!

Cody Fueyo : In response to the mega meeple. You can absolutely be both a collector and player. I keep buying but I also love playing.

The Boardgame Buddies : Ill miss your kickstarter segment!

Josh Neikirk : Thanks Suz for all the games you've made me spend my money on!

James DePaola : Probably a game "collector" once you have an entire bookshelf that is specifically for board games

The Boardgame Buddies : Mega meeple, i think somewhere between the 2nd and 3rd shelf is where the line is. A collector is definetly still a player. Once you hit that 3rd shelf you reveal if your the type to really get to know your games vs the type to keep collecting the new hotness. No right or wrong. I personally slowed down and have enjoyed getting more plays out of my games and shrinking my shelf of shame.

Walter Kolczynski : I try to consolidate expansions into the base game box whenever possible (i.e., whenever they fit). If it is something that will only be a sometimes inclusion, I'll keep them separated in the base box. For the multiple rulebook problem, BGG can be good as a lot of games will multiple expansions have consolidated rulebooks or cheatsheets posted.

Nathanael Robinson : Please keep covering RPGs. Don't listen to that other guy.

Lonni Perrin : if the expansion fit in the base box, I put it in it. And if there is no more space, I may keep the expansion box if I want to keep the insert. Or I throw out the insert and put everything in the base box. For Abyss, I've get rid of the insert, because even the first expansion don't fit in the bix base box. For Mysterium, I've keeped this insert, cause I love it and the second expansion is not juste "more stuff" but change one type of card, so... you know where get them if you want to play with them. 7 wonders, everythings in the box, catane and carcassonne to. And it is principaly a shelf issue...

David Boeger : When it comes to game expansions, I'm a huge fan of making custom foam core inserts to store them in the main box. It kills 2 birds with 1 stone. Not only does it save space, but it typically does a better job of organizing games and making their setup easier and quicker. It also makes it easier to take inventory of components between games, because everything has its own compartment. I would really rather not mix base game and expansion components if at all possible, because I may very well want to play the base game by itself when teaching to new players. It's really not too expensive or difficult to make a proper foam core insert, and the benefits are outstanding, so that's really my default choice. The biggest cost by far is time, because it takes substantial planning. The only times I would consider keeping expansions in their own boxes would be when they are almost self-contained experiences with large components like boards. For example, I don't own any dungeon crawler games, but my understanding is that many of the expansions for games like Descent and Star Wars: Imperial Assault add entirely different map tiles, scenarios, units, etc. I could totally see keeping those in their respective boxes, because they're the sort of things you might pull out after finishing the main campaign, or for a longer session. It's not like Carcassonne where you might play several games back to back with different combinations of expansions. When you sit down to play an expansion campaign, the entire session is really focused around that, so the separate box gives you most of the same advantages as a custom insert would anyway, and that way, you don't have to worry about trying to fit so many different expansions together.

Robert Austin : We’ll most definitely miss you on the KS segment Suzanne! You’ve been one of my favorites over the years and getting a chance to finally say hi in person at the CMON Expo this year was awesome. Keep up the great work in whatever avenues you pursue!